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Firstly may I apologize for my lack of Italian language skills. I am writing from England and although it seems I have Italian ancestry I am embarrassed to say my Italian is non existent. I will attempt a rough Google translation in the hope that it will help.

Could anyone help me with a search for information on a Giovanni Battista Vaccari. He was born approximately 1811 in Italy. He is my 4x Great grandfather who arrived in England 30th June 1837 to start a new life. He is listed on his Immigration document as a "Musician" and arrived with a man called Lorenzo Denagri. They came to the port of London from Boulogne but I do not know which ship they arrived on or where they came from before then. (There is a rumor of Venice).

In the English 1861 census Giovanni is married with 4 children. He has 3 musicians from Italy living in his house as lodgers one of whom he states is his cousin. Michael Denagri - Cousin, Joseph Ferguna and Francis Bratasani.

Giovanni appears to change his name through the English census's being listed as VACCARI, VACCARI-WALKER & WALKER as well as VACCARI being spelled various ways.

I am looking for any information regarding his life/family before coming to England or any information regarding the ship or border crossings. Could someone please help?

Here is an image of the immigration information that I have for him. http://www.mediafire.com/view/?oi5qiglrbd0on9v


In primo luogo può Mi scuso per la mia mancanza di conoscenza della lingua italiana. Scrivo dall'Inghilterra e anche se sembra che ho origini italiane sono in imbarazzo a dire che il mio italiano è inesistente. Cercherò una traduzione approssimativa di Google nella speranza che sarà di aiuto.

Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi con la ricerca di informazioni su un Giovanni Battista Vaccari. E 'nato circa 1811 in Italia. Lui è il mio nonno 4x Grande giunto in Inghilterra 30 Giugno 1837 per iniziare una nuova vita. È elencato sul suo documento immigrazione come un "musicista" e siamo arrivati ​​con un uomo di nome Lorenzo Denagri. Sono arrivati ​​al porto di Londra, da Boulogne, ma non so quale nave sono arrivati ​​o da dove sono venuti prima di allora. (C'è una voce di Venezia).

Nel censimento del 1861 English Giovanni è sposato e ha 4 figli. Ha 3 musicisti provenienti da Italia vivono nella sua casa in subaffitto uno dei quali egli afferma è suo cugino. Michael Denagri - cugino, Giuseppe e Francesco Ferguna Bratasani.

Giovanni sembra cambiare il suo nome attraverso il censimento inglese è essere indicato come VACCARI, VACCARI-WALKER & WALKER, nonché VACCARI essere scritto vari modi.

Sto cercando le informazioni che riguardano la sua vita / famiglia prima di venire in Inghilterra o qualsiasi informazione riguardante la nave o valichi di frontiera. Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?

Ecco un'immagine delle informazioni dell'immigrazione che ho per lui. http://www.mediafire.com/view/?oi5qiglrbd0on9v

Hi Terrac, welcome to the forum

between 1700 and 1800 many persons moved to england from the appennini areas around Parma (Emilia Romagna region), they were "girovaghi" itinerant musicians...
Here you can find the actual spreading of the lastnames you're talking about, Brattesani is a rare lastname, present in Borgo Val di Taro, Parma province , Emilia Romagna region.

http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo- ... UhuXRxLOfU

Vaccari is a common lastaname, De negri/Denegri is mainly present in the Liguria region..

I know this site is in italian but it's pertaining your research...

http://www.emigrazioneparmense.it/

Laura

Hi Laura

Thank you for the reply and for the valuable information. It certainly seems like both he and his acquaintances are from northern Italy. I found an entry on the LDS site which has a similar birth date from the Modena region. It could possibly be him but difficult to verify. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XKMH-181

One of Giovanni's daughters Ann Vaccari marries a Germia Sparvieri from Venice. His other Daughter Elizabeth marries Andra Andreola.

I have lots of information from when he arrives in England, I would love to know more about where he came from.

Thank you once again for your help.

Ray

Hi Terrac,

I confirmed all Pink67 has tell you.
In addiction, the name Giovanni Battista can be found in area around Genoa, because is the Saint patron of the city; in the same way, also the surname De Negri is common in this area... So, maybe the families you are looking for came from Genoa.

Ps: maybe your "Germia" is "Geremia".

I have now found that on a census for 1871 this man put Genoa, Italy as his birth place. I have found that he lived in the same house in England for 40 years!!

I have also located his grave. He is in the same burial plot as his wife.

Thank you all for your help and advice. I will continue to research this man and his birth place.

Ray