Franciscus de Antonin is 1701

[Antoninis]

Thank you that I could join in on behalf of my wife's Antonius Antoninis, Antonin, Antoni i(a lot of variations) from Italy, Friuli from 14th century. F. Emerges into Stockholm in 1701 as a wounded refugee from Ingermanland that was a province of Sweden before the Great Northern War (1700-1721). He is well documented in the Swedish National Archives thus we know that Italy was his ancestors land. He was a swordsman, his son became good known and durable guerillas in the mentioned war from 1711 on, before they were mercenaries contracted by the Swedish Crown, the ancestor of my wife after F. was in the service of the Princes of Orange after 1688 in Holland, then since 1702-1710 contracted for the Swedish in Baltic provinces and then fighting against Tsar Peter the Great 1711-1720 in Baltic, but mostly present Finland areas.
The family has arrived the Swedish colonies during late 16th and early 17th century from Venzone via Poland and Hungary. The family is not originally Italian origin, but emerges as German in Friuli from Schwaben, Bavaria. But it is not of any German Y DNA but from Pommern-North Baltic area.
As a swordmaster F. was not a sword maker, but a fencing master. He was seen as somewhat interesting by the Swedish authorities that we know his steps in Stockholm since his arrival in Gävle, and his travel via Uppsala until Stockholm where he disappeared by 1703. The sons after him in Finland flourish in Finland eat least. There is a lot we do not know but the origin would be in Amaro in Daniel di Amaro, a merchant of iron products and after his son's son that left for Cracow Poland. But as said, this has been a difficult path and we have found no Y DNA of Baltic Finnic origin and it looks like male Antonin have no male successors in Friuli? Also, the spouses were likely during the first generations of German origin. Problems are many following the Autosomal DNA as my wife has ancestry in Schwitzerland, and a lot of German ancestry via spouses of Anton
io, The family ancestry is known from most of Europe as they descent of many ennobled old families and in some areas as of 1000 years an 40 generations. But this on Italian male ancestry has given trouble. Only with the help Trentino genealogists, and Friulian research we know this little. The de Antoninis would be one branch of older Udine dI Antonini -if I am right. But, everything may change. We eagerly search for Toninis, Antoninis etc. and would be very thankful of any connection with.

[cannella55]

Una storia interessante, ma complessa.
Qui, abbiamo dei valenti friulani, che se in possesso di informazioni utili, ti potranno aiutare.

[Antoninis]

Thank y Cannella55, I do appreciate all possible help. The Antoninis-Antonius-Anthonius is today Anthoni, at times Antonius after 1688. The Y DNA tells that the family originates from the eastern corner of the Finnish Gulf as known by mutation that happened 1000 years ago. The area was a trade hub for the eastern water ways untill Black Sea and Caspian Sea, also to the West until Sweden and further. The ancestry is suggested having moved from there to the West and south, likely following the trade routes. We do not have any detailed information between 1000-1280. To that we ended following backwards Daniel di Amaro suggested old family tree. The family research gives results against all odds as the family traditio only tell about the travel back to the North. The genealogists in Trentino have helped a lot and a branch from Amaro was found in Rovereto, even the house still exists after 500 years. Three branches from later Udine Antoninis sent mercenaries for the Spanish in Holland but also for United Provinces there. My first assumptions was, as my wife's first ancestor after Francisco de Antonin is also fought in Holland amongst the troops of Princes of Orange after 1688 and until 1700, latest 1701. A good source has been PhD Liliana Gargneglutti "Gli Antonini Cittadini did Udine" from 2016. But I cannot see the branch in Sweden- Finland from the Udine main di Antonini, but before.

[Moscjon]

Qui una genealogia degli Antonini di Amaro

https://www.techeudine.it/visualizzator ... 2Fantonini


Anche Gianni Moroldo, valente storico di Amaro, ha pubblicato la genealogia degli Antonini di Amaro
gmoroldo@libero.it


M.

[Antoninis]

grazie mille de Moscjon, will follow the link. Yours Erkki

[Antoninis]

Buongiorno,
the family path from the year 1308,Amaro, until 1400 of the mentioned Franciscus has been cleared with the help of the members of this group, The descendants today living in Finland thank you Mr. Moscjon and others, now we have the original sources, which PhD Liliana Gargneglutti, from Friuli in her book "Gli Antonini, Cittadini di Udine" (used) and our own historian Professorm PhD Eric Anthoni in 1972 used (of de Antoninis, in Helsinki) not to mention his co-timer Count Enrico del Torso.
As still reading (my wife of de Antoninis) and I can read Italian, writing is difficult. But, a new result on Y DNA research emerged as in Gotland in 2015 was revealed (I got to know this only this Spring) grave called Fröjel VK 461, in Gotkand, Amongts round 500 Ancient Viking Y DNA analysys from relevant period. So, the ancestors of the family that arrived from Willingen, Schwaben to Amaro in 1308 are of Viking ancestry, and of these 500 Ancient Y DNA now known only 18 are of Finnic N YDNA. The Antoninis Y DNA is of the same ancestry as Gediminas and Rurik. This is why I have to check some of the comments of several possible avenues for Amarioin 1308, as one route is from "Chosapia" and I cannot understand where it is, limited Italian skills! With Finnish and Swedish the first idea could be Kashubia. The maternal Mtdna of the Viking in grave in Fröjel is H7b and of the year 950, could this point on Hun maternal origin in Carpathia somewhere? This found in the archives has not been commented at all by Count Torso, Professors Gargneglutti or Anthoni. On this a Caspian see origin bead is found on the same semetary of Vk -461 Viking, one other in Lammi, Finland 2 km from us, one other in Western Finland and-.if not more found in Sweden only two in Birka and Sigtuna Viking centres in Sweden. Beads are known in thousands, 500 hundred in Finland. This Chosapia is a mystery for me, the most genealogies point for Willingen-Danube area.